March 02, 2019
<sgp_> We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Meeting!
<sgp_> Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/308
<sgp_> Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support. Stay up to date with the latest events by subscribing to this calendar: https://xmr.ncrypt.sh/index.php/apps/calendar/p/8dP6z6XQDnkPREo4/Monero-Meetings
<sgp_> 1. Greetings
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> oyo
<sgp_> hello the 3 of you, hopefully more stumble in :)
<sgp_> 2. Community highlights
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I was going to ask if the bridge died
<sgp_> no, I can see you
<sgp_> Monero Talk released episodes on MoneroBox and the forthcoming update: https://www.monerotalk.live
<sgp_> ErCiccione opened this thread on the Church of Monero: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/asqrbu/church_of_monero_enough_is_enough_how_the_leader/
<monerobux> [REDDIT] Church Of Monero: Enough is enough - How the leader of the Church tried to fool the community to make look like the Church is organizing the Monero Konferenco and even adding his own Monero address on the flyer (self.Monero) | 160 points (95.0%) | 253 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2019-02-20 - 17:05:34
<sgp_> Thunderosa from Monero Outreach make this “Boron Butterfly” image: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/aw7nv9/graphic_idea_for_boron_butterfly_release_courtesy/
<monerobux> [REDDIT] Graphic idea for Boron Butterfly release, courtesy of Monero Outreach (https://i.redd.it/ugq2afnfqjj21.jpg) to r/Monero | 157 points (97.0%) | 36 comments | Posted by xmrhaelan | Created at 2019-03-01 - 17:56:10
<sgp_> Trust Wallet announced their intent to add Monero: https://github.com/TrustWallet/wallet-core/issues/21
<sgp_> Coinomi added Monero: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/atqqzy/coinomi_wallet_for_android_added_xmr_today_mods/
<monerobux> [REDDIT] Coinomi wallet for Android added XMR today! Mods: remember to update the sidebar list (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.coinomi.wallet) to r/Monero | 66 points (91.0%) | 28 comments | Posted by hamiltoncycles | Created at 2019-02-23 - 03:26:42
<sgp_> Dr. Daniel Kim was interviewed following his talk about Monero at Anarchapulco: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO8_N7L2sR0
<monerobux> [ Monero EXPLAINED! - Dr. Daniel Kim (Founder Of Sweetwater Digital Consulting - Anarchapulco 2019) - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<sgp_> Listen to an audio recording and slides of midipoet’s talk at TABConf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JIz_H8irAQ
<monerobux> [ TABConf 2019 - Cryptocurrency, Blockchain, and the Philosophy of Privacy - Robin Renwick - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<sgp_> There are many recordings from the Nashville Blockchain Meetup:
<sgp_> endogenic on MyMonero: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELNAhy3MjHs
<monerobux> [ Nashville Blockchain Meetup - My Monero - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<sgp_> Sarang Noether on Monero and privacy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ijX02J7Y0
<monerobux> [ Nashville Blockchain Meetup - Monero Research Lab 1 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<sgp_> Surae Noether on the privacy problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9srtIk9M2yg
<monerobux> [ Nashville Blockchain Meetup - Monero Research Lab 2 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<sgp_> Naveen Jain on Tari: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAexgHjsDdg
<monerobux> [ Nashville Blockchain Meetup - Tari - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
<ErCiccione[m]> oh, meeting time
<dEBRUYNE> Daniel Kim talk was apparently well received. HOpefully the vid of the talk will be online as well
<sgp_> yes, I really want to see it
<sgp_> Does anyone else have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> the CCS will happen one day
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> you can go to ccs.getmonero.org to see the initial deployment, and people can go ahead and open Ideas proposals there
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> Sorry am late. Hello people.
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> but there's an issue with getting the donation pages to generate correctly (which were not present across all of our tests). So waiting on fp to have some time to debug that.
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> And…you know how it is getting some of his time.
<needmoney90> The Year In Review is finally finished with edits and stuff (one left this mornkng and its good to go)
<monerobux> needmoney90 meant to say: The Year In Review is finally finished with edits and stuff (one left this morning and its good to go)
<sgp_> rehrar when Monero Revuo? :p
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> oof
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> 2mrw
<sgp_> 3. FFS / CCS updates
<sgp_> rehrar already commented on the state of the CCS
<sgp_> FFS proposals still needing funding:
<sgp_> v1docq47’s video creation proposal did not receive any attention since last meeting https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/91863/v1docq47-video-creation-translations-into-russian-february-july
<sgp_> el00ruobuob’s proposal still needs funding: https://forum.getmonero.org/8/funding-required/91269/el00ruobuob-january-to-march-part-time-for-a-new-quarter
<el00ruobuob_[m]> Hi, sorry i'm late
<sgp_> Are there are proposals in ideas that I missed?
<needmoney90> It's 9:00 on a Saturday. The regular crowd shuffles in.
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> it's ok el00ruobuob, just make sure it never happens again
<el00ruobuob_[m]> sure ;)
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> @needmoney90 don't be so geo-presumptious ;-)
<sgp_> Does anyone else have a FFS / CCS update, or comments about any of these FFS proposals?
<needmoney90> But it flows well to the tune of Pianoman :(
<sgp_> yes it did
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> Ha
<dEBRUYNE> It is kind of unfortunate el00ruobuob_[m]'s proposal is hidden :/
<dEBRUYNE> He has done great work in the past
<sgp_> I sang that song in class once for some magic/music show. Total disaster
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> el00ruobuob, go ahead and remake it in the current ccs. At least it will show up in the Ideas section. And it will be merged as soon as it's debugged.
<el00ruobuob_[m]> thanks dEBRUYNE, but don't worry too much about that
<sgp_> we need to keep spamming it on Reddit
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> http://ccs.getmonero.org/how-to-css/
<el00ruobuob_[m]> ok, thanks rehara
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> "how to cuss"
<sgp_> 4. Workgroup report
<sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: you probably have a lot
<ErCiccione[m]> I do :)
<ErCiccione[m]> this release we used Pootle for the first time. The hard fork messed up all the plans for a proper code freeze for the GUI release,
<ErCiccione[m]> but we managed to get 2/3 of the languages 100% completed and reviewed in 3 days, and that's amazing
<sgp_> what's the Pootle link again?
<ErCiccione[m]> so, Pootle definitely make everything much faster and easier, we saw also a increment in amount of contributors, about 60 for this release.
<ErCiccione[m]> sgp_: translate.getmonero.org
<needmoney90> 60 is amazing
<sgp_> 60 in 4 days?
<dEBRUYNE> As a side note, new GUI will be awesome imo :p
<sgp_> *3 days
<ErCiccione[m]> sgp_ yes sir :D
<ErCiccione[m]> take out maybe 5 or 6 who worked in the past month, but the other did everything in 3 days
<sgp_> I love how I was credited for the 7 Swedish stings I did lol. Totally not my intent. I'll probably have to add it to my resume
<ErCiccione[m]> We found some minor problems with Pootle and in this days (and this very moment) i'm working to fix them for 0.14.1
<ErCiccione[m]> after that release i want to introduce some cool new feature that got delayed
<sgp_> A "thank you translators" Reddit post will probably be really well-received, and I think it will be great to share the power of the community. Are you open to making this?
<needmoney90> Blog post maybe
<needmoney90> Talk about the surge of contributors in the last few days
<sgp_> right, really good PR
<ErCiccione[m]> sgp_: yes, i'm definitely going to make one as soon as the release is out
<ErCiccione[m]> if you suggest a blog post i would prefer one of you to make it, i don't trust my english for something like that :P
<ErCiccione[m]> but i could contribute to the part about translators
<needmoney90> I'll see who I can fob it off onto, or failing that, do it myself
<sgp_> needmoney90: for the blog post, do you think it would be best alone or combined with the normal release blog post?
<needmoney90> Normal release actually
<needmoney90> We can have a reddit post point it out specifically
<needmoney90> No need to clutter the blog
<sgp_> that's my view too
<sgp_> I have a Q for you ErCiccione[m]
<sgp_> Besides the hasty circumstances, is there anything you wish went better?
<Xeagu__> Oh hi I'm late
<ErCiccione[m]> yes, definitely. I've been ranting about having a proper code freeze for ages. Not having one before a release make my job 10x harder
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> maybe someday
<ErCiccione[m]> the main problem is that translators work hard to have their language 100% translated, but if some other stuff get merged
<ErCiccione[m]> after the my PR with the sync and the translations, the result will be a language missing some strings (which will show in english) even if they were completed when submitted
\ErCiccione[m]> and this release this happened as well, so the GUI will actually not be 100% translated in any language, but few strings will be in english. Not a big deal maybe, but still annoying
<ErCiccione[m]> that's my main concern.
<Xeagu__> ASIC resistance carries a heavy price
<sgp_> thanks. hopefully things will be better for 0.14.1 where there isn't a rushed deadline
<ErCiccione[m]> btw, i'm working with the GUI folks to improve this problem, and hopefully will be solved :)
<ErCiccione[m]> that's my hope sgp_
<sgp_> do you have anything else ErCiccione[m]?
<sgp_> or does anyone else have questions about translations?
<ErCiccione[m]> there are some minor updates, but i think i took enough time. If nobody have questions we can go on for me.
<sgp_> Does anyone else have a workgroup update?
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I've been semi AWOL this past month
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> been needing some down time to avoid burn out
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> but I'm back for March
<Xeagu__> I see we are trying to have some art made for the update
<Xeagu__> It's difficult to organize art production in my experience
<sgp_> msvb-mob: do you have any updates for us?
<ErCiccione[m]> rehrar: hang in there dude!
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> it's hard when all my colleagues suck
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> jk, love you guys
<sgp_> Xeagu__: having multiple people work on art sounds difficult
<Xeagu__> It's so subjective. One man's trash is another man's treasure.
<sgp_> 5. Upgrade timeline discussion
<sgp_> Here are relevant threads explaining Monero’s upgrade timeline:
<sgp_> dEBRUYNE made this updated guide to prepare for the scheduled network upgrade on approximately 9 March 2019: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/aw86rx/updated_information_thread_regarding_the/
<monerobux> [REDDIT] Updated information thread regarding the scheduled protocol upgrade of March 9 (self.Monero) | 39 points (98.0%) | 12 comments | Posted by dEBRUYNE_1 | Created at 2019-03-01 - 18:42:55
<sgp_> The CLI binaries are out. The GUI is tagged, waiting on binaries. Mining software for most miners is available.
<sgp_> I reserved some time for community questions. Are there any?
<Xeagu__> Does Monero have reproducible builds?
<sgp_> Xeagu__: not yet, but devs have been working on them for a long time
<xmrscott[m]> There is an issue for that you can sub on github
<xmrscott[m]> I did get us add to the repo builds website a while back as well
<Xeagu__> Ah I wasn't sure. I assumed most people compile from source.
<xmrscott[m]> So if anyone needs to talk to the pople doing repo builds for debian, etc, I suggest joining the mailing list for that multi foss website/project
<sgp_> Any other questions?
<xmrscott[m]> Do we want to do anything for Call For Party for defcon?
<Xeagu__> When is next coffee chat?
<xmrscott[m]> Reg closes end of April
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I say nah. The last party we had wasn't official, but it was good.
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> No?
<Xeagu__> I support unofficial parties.
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> DJs were questionable. IMO
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> But I am European
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> :-p
<Xeagu__> True music could be better
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I'll DJ
<Xeagu__> Techno / House is my vote
<sgp_> hyc playing the violin all night
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> Americans don't get techno
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> Techno and violins would work
<sgp_> xmrscott[m]: looks like we need to revive #monero-defcon
<Xeagu__> 35C3 was awesome
<xmrscott[m]> midipoet, as a raver I understand. EU has all the best hardcore raves/DJ's :(
<sgp_> Since this is off-topic from the upgrade discussion anyway, we will move to 6. Open ideas time
<xmrscott[m]> sgp_: Is tbere anything we need to discuss at thisvtime? Last year we started talks Apr 7th
<sgp_> xmrscott[m]: no idea, but it would be good to get the channel active for these sorts of questions
<sgp_> here is fine too outside of the meetings
<sgp_> I had an idea earlier this week
<el00ruobuob_[m]> i believe most of us are well prepared for the upgrade.
<sgp_> I would like to know all the cool stuff Monero contributors are doing
<sgp_> I think it would be interesting to have a tool where people could write a few bullet points on what they did that day to keep others informed
<sgp_> Github sorta works for this, but it doesn't work well with MRL and other non-code stuff
<sgp_> I found an open-source tool Kimai that kinda does this, but it's a little too time tracking-focused: https://www.kimai.org/
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> Jira?
<xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> Trello?
<sgp_> Those track project progress. I had a Twitter for updates in mind
<el00ruobuob_[m]> Jira is not free, don't know about trello
<ErCiccione[m]> isn't Taiga good for that?
<xmrscott[m]> You'd probably need a custom script to toot/tweet PR's and translation contrib, etc
<sgp_> yes, that's what Taiga is for
<el00ruobuob_[m]> Trello seems great btw midipoet
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> psh
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> after all that work to put up Taiga you guys want to Trello
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I say nay
<el00ruobuob_[m]> rehrar, we need both and you to create a bridge between them ;)
<msvb-mob> Taiga has really few defects, maybe that user messaging is not supported. There are not many reasons to ignore taiga.getmonero.org.
<ErCiccione[m]> I agree Taiga would work well enough. Epics coould be topics and if there is a timeline you can use the sprints
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> right, but on the day to day that sgp is talking about, his thing might not be bad
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Taiga is good to know who is working on what overarching stuff, and planning, you know?
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> day to day (if that's wanted) would require another tool for that, unless someone makes extensive use of the commenting system
<xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> but it was just an idea, no Justin?
<sgp_> I'll look further into other systems, but would anyone else find a daily update tool useful?
<sgp_> yes, it's just an idea
<el00ruobuob_[m]> it could be usefull if used correctly
<el00ruobuob_[m]> or even just used
<xmrscott[m]> Yes, should someone pickup writing a weekly newsletter again or whatever and use it as a source
<sgp_> I think it would provide better coverage of non-code stuff
<sgp_> any other ideas before we wrap up?
<sgp_> 7. Confirm next meeting date/time
<sgp_> The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 16 March at 17:00 UTC.
<sgp_> The next Monero Coffee Chat will take place next Saturday on 9 March at 17:00 UTC.
<sgp_> When in doubt, use the calendar: https://xmr.ncrypt.sh/index.php/apps/calendar/p/8dP6z6XQDnkPREo4/Monero-Meetings
<sgp_> 8. Conclusion
<sgp_> That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, and know that change starts with YOU.